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Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: faisal28
Date: November 02, 2009 05:58PM
nina2009, have you thought about marriage counselling , having arguments with your husband or if life became absurd , or if your husband is preoccupied by an other one doesn t mean they are bad people out there with nothing to do a part from directing some african voo doo towards your couple !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
an other point: have you done any statistics by saying millions of moroccan women practicing s7our, thats not credible don t you think ?  Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: nina20009
Date: November 02, 2009 07:05PM
Quote: it's black magic and sorcelery Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: nina20009
Date: November 02, 2009 07:19PM
Quote: hi faisal...thanks for answering; but just to clarify something....see, first of all problems in my couple i am trying to solve them out.... but,i want you to understand something; when i said millions of Moroccan women, i did not have any statictics,it's a reality and real facts...i've seen things really unbelievable...i am hurt cause this is bad and very bad even, it's a reputation that we (Moroccan) have all over the world...something that we can't hide...me; you and every Moroccan is responsible for such things and behaviors cause we try to deny and hide ....but what is hapening is really something else....i feel so bad when people are pointing Morocco with black magic....I travelled to so many place and i've seen very different and sad stories where the heros are moroccan unfortunatelyy... i am also Moroccan and i love my country...i think this is the time for us to change what other people thing about us.... well, if you don't believe me i can give you real examples... i lived in UAE for 5 years...in Dubai airport for example, they have special security measures especially for Moroccans; why??????? cause everyday they are catching Moroccan coming from Morocco with S7our in their luggage.....All nationalities are having the same thing...but Us we are the famous..... why????, Morocco is such a beautiful country...we've got amazing places....we've got man and woman with a very high education level and who are representing us in a very good way....but we've got as well and unfortunately people who are giving us bad reputation.... fAISAL ...I hope you understand me... Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: chaïba kadim
Date: November 02, 2009 08:22PM
Dear Nina;
The Shour in Morocco is like any other problem that you can find in any other country. When people struggle in life and can't have a realistic excuse they just start looking for paranormal explanation. Some chose prayer, other chose drugs and in Morocco they chose Shour. Also, you should not omit that 70% of Moroccan are illiterate and the 30% remaining have illiterate parents. More than that and this what really chocks me, not only illiteracy people who look for that shit but all strata of society. I think there is a conspiracy behind that. When you see how the government encourage some satanic celebration like "Cheikh Kamel" de Meknes et les autres a3adat it's unbelievable. So government is more powerful with a stupid citizen. So again, shour had nothing to do with the country. To return to the principal subject in that post. I finally think that like for shour the marriage had nothing to do with a country, or ethnicity. Once you will fall in love or find the right one you will not consider it's origin. And like for shour, if you can't find one, you will look for paranormal explanation, like religion and culture and so on. An this is from my own experience, when I'm lonely to relieve my self I say, oh I'm alone because I can't find a muslim or moroccan girl. But once I'm a company of nice girl I forget where I come from I can also forget that my name is Chaiba  :: chaïba sawfa ya3oud :: Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: nina20009
Date: November 02, 2009 08:31PM
Quote: hi Yes you are right,i agree with you in all what you said; i hope this will change one day...and i wish you will get the right person for you...but again as i said before; take your time....good luck. Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: faisal28
Date: November 02, 2009 09:56PM
NINA2009: the black magic exist everywhere specially in the gulf country they export it to Morocco  so singling out moroccan and gluing this to them is not fair and not accurate
no one deny the s7our exist in morocco i know that and i am not trying to hide this no, not at all but no more than other countries 
the worst countries are Sudan, egypt , yemen , bahrain , algeria , lybia , yemen ............ if you visited Paris and Brussels you will notice that s7our is an established business with a turnover of millions mainly run by algerian men and women the origins of these voo doo is black africa where they still accuse people of being witches and slaughter them like animals the solution is education , an eduacted person will seek logical solution to his problems and not try to cling on to some paranormal explanations Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: AlinaB
Date: November 04, 2009 08:34AM
Ghayour,
I find your post very degrading to say the least. You said American girls are good for one week. How drastic and unrealistic can you be? For every failed marriage of a Moroccan man married to an American that you know, I know one that has a happy life with one as well. Why do you say “white girls”? We have white girls and black girls in Morocco and in case you do not know, they do have one night stands, and they do go to clubs, and they pick up the phone to call the police if they need to as they should. In what world are you? I think you were joking really, when you wrote what you wrote, it can’t possible be. Take care of your mom? She marries YOU not your mother. Are you marrying a lady to be your lifetime companion, mother of your children and one you must respect and care for or a maid, or perhaps an obedient girl to do what you please? Which one is it?
I did not know that you have to fall in love and like the mother to get her daughter (this one made me laugh big time) Does it work in reverse, does she has to like your mama in order to see how good can her son be? If so, then we are in trouble.
What do you have against 3roubia? Are we, you and I very polished here what? Do you happen to know how many unhappy Moroccan (females and males) young marriages are there? Do you want to know why they stay married even if unhappy? They do because they have nowhere to go; they have no education to be independent to send the guy to hell by the fast venue possible.
In top of that, traditionally Moroccan woman like to have babies immediately after marriage instead of waiting for a while to see how things work out, etc. Babies, family and social pressure to keep the marriage are some of the reasons why they remain married, even though that is changing little by little. The same goes for guys, married and not happy, they remain married, here again, religion, family and society play a big role unfortunately. It does not matter who you marry, you marry and hope for the best, she/he can be Moroccan, American or Chinese. Relations are not easy and they encounter challenges in all fronts; If you survive those and learn how to manage your crisis then fine, if not, you move on if you are able to. People grow in different directions and things never remain the same; You try to be understanding and of course, that goes for the two of you. I must say that with certain education you can pin point the issues and handle problems better. It is clear that with a Moroccan you could have certain affinity that you do not have with others; she speaks the language, knows the traditions and knows how to cook (and then again nowadays I am not sure) how to couscous for you. With other nationalities perhaps you can learn other culture and learn that there is more than our loved Morocco and Moroccans, others and as valid exist. Yes?
LibrePenseur: Sure, the sun, the moon and a bit more…as if it was that easy…to put brain before that thing that dispenses love call a heart…
What is love anyways? Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: thetiger
Date: November 05, 2009 10:46AM
ghayour you are very a3roubi in the way you think of mariage and judge people and yet you insult aroubia Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: bebbocu
Date: November 12, 2009 10:58AM
let me tell u sowething.
I am right now in romania .... So ... I met some moroccan girls , like 20 years old or something ... Guys , there are crazy here in romania, because they do all the things that they are not allowed to do in morocco. Anyway there are a lot of fun at the beggining but after... they act really stupid , yes of course ot because of the age also.. What i want to ask u , i went out with a morocco girl , she is ok , almost normal , but i do not understand her , she is like afraid of falling in love with a guy who is not morrocan guy... what a FFFFFF? love should be blind I want to ask u how are moroccan girls , what do they like ?? is it true that when a morocco girls sleeps with a guy who s not the same religion , they feel ashame and blablabla and also tell m some more thig about the girls in morocco thank u in advance a nice day.. peace out Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: thetiger
Date: November 12, 2009 11:15AM
what do you mean love should be blind? if a moroccan girl refuses to sleep with you it s her right
love is not sleeping so it s very obvious you are confusing the two
why moroccans men or women go to romania anyway? romania is nearly empty from it s population they all flooded the streets of europe and they have really a bad reputation what is this sentence man ? she is almost normal what is in your country normal ? and what is almost normal ?  Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: bebbocu
Date: November 13, 2009 08:51PM
hello my friend .
It is not about sleeping with a girl , it s about the fact that she is afraid not to fall in love with the guy.... and ovios love is not sleepind , u are very right about that.. morocco people come to romania to study , because the medicine university here is quiet good... hehehhehe when I said about she is almost normal , i was trying to say that she is ok , just that she likes to party too much , drink to much , upsait to much.. etc... my question for u is : can a morocco girl fall in love with a guy who is not the same religion as her? peace out man Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: rosette16
Date: November 14, 2009 04:55PM
hi everybody!
i didn't read all your answers and sorry about that, i just wanna tell u my point of view. Shour is not just a morrocan issue, people all over the world beleive in shour and they practise it and i also read that morrocan wives are under her husbands power and they must take care of her mother in law...any comments, we are all free alhamdo lah, we don't have to follow our husband just because there is a paper witch connect us, we have to follow him if he's right and we are not a nanny to take care of his mom, we don't have to, and if we do it that's because we want to do it, and because of our education not because we are obligated. Mariage is a big decision, it's a responsability and we must think a lot before making it. i live in spain, i think that i have the same problem that chaiba, i see that spanish people are a very kind, they have a good sense of comprehention and with some comments here i add that the ohetrs are more open minded than us, soryy for that, but we are musulmans we should be better because of our religion witch is more flexible than a lot of us, rabi says that inna ba3da danni ithm, and here we speak about s7our, about 3robia, ...etc Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: bebbocu
Date: November 15, 2009 03:46PM
hy rossette .
i really like your post listen , i wanna ask u something : can a morocco girl fall in love with a guy who is not the same religion as her? also this is really strange , i was dating a morocco girls for a while , and she was keep telling me to meet her friends and etc. so one day i met her friends , they were nice to me , bla bla bla but after that , they started telling to this girl that she is a @#$%& that she has a boyfriend who is not musulman... and also one of the guy punched her in the face .., WTF?? why do they think like that .. . i am not musulman , but i do not jugde anyone , just , i do not understand this way of thinking about the women but... the morocco guys here they go out with romanians girls all the time , they like romanian girls because they are really open minded to everythin if u understand what i am talking about... Women in morocco are not treated well , really , a women is equal with the men The women must be treated with love , gentle , and also provide her all the support she needs... Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: rosette16
Date: November 17, 2009 04:56PM
Quote: hibebbocu, for your question, they can fall in love with theme but the question is should they fall in love with no musulmans guys? i think it's hard to explain, they should not fall in love with a guy who isn't musulman, because that relationship won't have any future if they really care about the religion. for those freinds, i think they are hypocrites, most people are hypocrites, they never say what ther really think,or they do the opposite of what they think, and in this case, they are juste pathetic. Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: bebbocu
Date: November 19, 2009 02:55PM
hi rossette ,
love should be love , why is it so wrong to fall in love with someone that doesn;t have the same religion as u , really? i do not think it is that important , u should better fall in love with a guy who treats u like a queen , who loves u a lot , BUT has a different reliogion , instead of a guy who is musulman , but he does not give any attention that u need , he does not support u in what u need and so on... of course i do not know how musulman think about the religion and think that a relationship like that can have future , i mean i know some couples like that.... anyway i think that s why the girl that i used to go out with , did not call me anymore and she started telling me that is she afraid not to fall in love.... bla bla bla... and she still calls me sometimes in the morning about 3 or 4 o clock a.m. also i know that in her family , she has some relatives how are married to non-musulmans guys... pls tell me more about how the morocco girls think about having a relation with a non mulsuman guy have a nice day peace out Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: rosette16
Date: November 19, 2009 10:50PM
dear bebbocu,
it's a really very hard to explain, but i'll try. our religion is very clear: it's prohibeted to mariage with a non musulman (woman or man), because if he/she dosen't beleive that god exists, that islam is the right religion how can he/she educates your children for example? or what does he/she react in a different situations witch need having a lot of faith. i'm sûre that it seems to be absurd to you, but if you search and learn something more about Islam it'll be a little a bit clear for u, it's not just about the relationship, it's more than that. you can see this link, i think that's can help you to understand more things: [discover.islamway.com] Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: bebbocu
Date: November 21, 2009 09:37AM
ye ... interesting religion
anyways , i have notice that there are more women than men that convert to musulmans from other religions... my opinion is that u can't be at the middle of faith ,if u want to folow the musulman reliogion , than do it , but don't be like the musulmans here in this country (romania ) : they party a lot, they drink a lot - which for me is normal- i believe in god but i do not live my life and make the big decision based and around the religion if u believe i god u do not have to show it only for people not to judge you... tell me please , i am thinking about going next year in morocco for a job . how is morocco , in casablanca and in marakess? how the people are like ?i am really curios , i read somewhere that in morocco there is the poor class and the rich class , i mean i read that there isn t any middle class in morocco i am really curios about going there and also about how people are like Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: rosette16
Date: November 21, 2009 04:48PM
Quote: hi bebbocu, thanks for seeing the link. i'm not like them, but we are all humans, we are not perfects, there a lot of mistakes we make, but the real musulman recognizes his mistakes and trys to correct himself. people in morocco are nor like people here (in europe), they are simple, just want to live in peace, and of course there is a middle class, most of people there are from this class. i'm from casablanca (but linving in madrid), i suggest you to go first for many days to see how it looks like, and then you can make the decision, i have some many freinds there who can help you. but the most important thing is as in any foreign country, you must be careful, study your situation, choose the good people, and respect the other's traditions. p.s i didn't understand what you wanna mean with the red sentence- Re: Moroccan or American wife? that's the question
Posted by: Hash
Date: November 21, 2009 09:15PM
Hi chaïba kadim,
It's quite funny... because i think that i'm living the same situation except that i'm a girl and that i don't live in America but in the other side of the world at Paris(that's why my english is not so good, sorry  )
I think that it's the same situation because they are the same opposition between western girls and boys and the others from our country. I was born here in Paris, i always live here and i think that i take a big part of french culture so sometimes in my relationship i feel better with western guys than with moroccan, even if they are born here too. I noticed that it exists 2 kinds of franco-morrocan guys: a kind who are from poor neighbourhood and who didn't really study, who are drug addict etc and an other kind who are intellect and very pious. And I'm not. I had a boyfriend who's french and i really feel well with him but unfortunatelly we broke up and now i'm looking for a serious relationship. But I can't find what i'm looking for! I prefer the wstern mentality, i feel better with western guys but they are not muslims so i have remorse! How can I spend my life with somebody who don't share my religion? It's just impossible, for my futur and for my parents too. In the contrary, moroccan guys, seems not for me. The first kind that i talked about is really not for me. I'm too ambitious for sacrifice my life with somebody who don't respect me, who is uncultivated who don't have a good work and you have problems with drug or alcohol etc... The second kind seems not for me too. They are too much in the religion. I really belive in God, i try to be a good muslima but they have a conception of our religion which is very strange for me. I can't loose my freedom. Of course when you get married it's different of your single life you have to make some concessions. But there are limits for all! A few days ago i talked with a friend and we laughed because he said that the one for me is an Tony Hawk with a djellaba! I found it really funny and true... I want someone you have a western mentality, like me but who have too religion values. So I think that i will look for my charming prince a loooong time! About the "real" moroccan guys, who are from Morocco, who were born in Morocco and grown in Morocco I just can't support them!!! It's a TOO STRANGE mentality, i really hate it!!! I don't know if I was really clear and if you understand all what i mean but i hope that you will answered to me! Ciao. |
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