Salam All,

I am born British Moroccan living in London. I read a few of the post messages about this very interesting topic and I thought that majority of the messages post up had some sort of general patter going on. As an Moroccan living here in London I myself believe that I am not well rooted in the sense of where I am from which is not very common seen in the Moroccan community as well as other Moroccans living here in UK. But maybe it's because of the fact that there isn't any Moroccans living here in the UK compared to France which means that as British Moroccan I do feel sometimes 'alienated' because not enough is been done to emphasize my roots here in the UK. Plus also there is a greater concerns and knowledge of the existences of Moroccans living in countries such as France, Spain and Beligum but not really enough is been done over here!

Personal, I think that the Moroccans living in London especially are not well rooted from understanding and accepting their background which maybe it's because we do feel left out as there is not enough been done to show this.

I am sure you will find a lot of British-born Moroccans over there. My kids are all still over there but not in London - up North.

SALUT?
j aimerai bien faires des cours d'amelioration d'anglais a londres sachant que j ai un diplome en commerce international et je veux avoir un visa pour etidient potentiel mais je ne sais pas le titre justificatif que je dois fournir et le montant minim que je dois avoir sur mon compte bancaire ou bien sur celui de mo sponsor??
y a t il qq 1 qui peut m'aider??
merci d 'avance

Hi Chamsbladi

Tu peux t'inscrire dans une ecole ,pay ....ect il faut justificatif que tu peu te prendre en charge logement .....

Dans une ecole de Marketing ..... j ai entendu dire 180.000 dhs comme compte du sponceur ....

Good luck

PS : si t'a besoin d'info de l'ecole ils ont un bureau a Casa je te passerais l'infos .

Bonne chance

SALUT POUTOI,
je te remercie infiniment pour la reponse;c est que j ai une amie laba, est ce qu elle peut etre utille???
Pour les infos /les ecoles peut me donner ce contact plz?
j ai peur que le consulat reffuse mon visa vu que je cherche une formation limitée.

Salut Chamsbladi

Surement votre amie peu etre utile pour pas mal de chose du moins le support moral !
Pour le bureau de Casa c'est ferme jusq'au mois d'avril, le site du college :www.leicester-college.co.uk
Noter qu'il faut avoir des notions d'anglais .

Bonne chance

lalla Maryam a écrit:
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> Salam All,
>
> I am born British Moroccan living in London. I
> read a few of the post messages about this very
> interesting topic and I thought that majority of
> the messages post up had some sort of general
> patter going on. As an Moroccan living here in
> London I myself believe that I am not well rooted
> in the sense of where I am from which is not very
> common seen in the Moroccan community as well as
> other Moroccans living here in UK. But maybe it's
> because of the fact that there isn't any Moroccans
> living here in the UK compared to France which
> means that as British Moroccan I do feel sometimes
> 'alienated' because not enough is been done to
> emphasize my roots here in the UK. Plus also there
> is a greater concerns and knowledge of the
> existences of Moroccans living in countries such
> as France, Spain and Beligum but not really enough
> is been done over here!
>
> Personal, I think that the Moroccans living in
> London especially are not well rooted from
> understanding and accepting their background which
> maybe it's because we do feel left out as there is
> not enough been done to show this.


I'm sorry to say this but from your English it doesn't seem that you are entirely integrated as a British either...I just hope that your moroccan is not as bad as your English...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2005 10:45PM by mahaf.

That was hard answer Mahaf, you should know teens are litle confuse in certain age, they dony know, where they belong. i gues is what lalla maryam is felling.

i hope she see light.

aziz_dk

bonjour Pourtoi,
c est bien noté merci,si tu connais des cas comme moi stp fais moi signe.je te donnes mon email:elena_chams@yahoo.fr
commenet ca sepasse l'entretien au consulat et comme les procedures durent???

les procedures prendent du tempts?

I think Lalla Maryam writes pretty good English. Surely you don't need to speak 'with a plum in your mouth' to integrate? If that's the case I don't qualify either - LOL - and I am a native! We have quite a few Moroccan friends who have lived in the UK for 25 years and still haven't lost their accent.

Hi

Lets me warn you i 'am not a native nor awriter !
i do think however that in UK the Moroccan community is a "young" one & it wont be fear to start comparing it to others like in France ...

The luck of community involvement , active associations & activities by the Moroccans Consulate/Embasssy are the cause of this emptiness felt but the Moroccans in the UK in general.

I think that its on everyone to make an effort & get involved in setting up associations & create activities to keep in touch with our root & promote our culture & until this is done its up to us to keep looking at other communities & learn how we could do better .

I know this may sound odd, but why not just make an effort to make friends who aren't just Moroccan?

I'm sure you have already thought of this, but this is what integration is about. Not just - 'emphasizing the roots', 'forming associations', etc, and hanging out with other Moroccans! Actually accepting that you are in a different country, where people may not know much about Morocco and Moroccans, but that this is not a serious issue impeding friendship between cultures. What can be a problem is if the Moroccan involved expects or tries to become 'British' and loses their own integrity (and they probably won't be accpeted anyway as British by the British, due to whatever factors such as race or language), or if they expect the people they are in contact with to 'behave like Moroccans' (whatever that may be), and not respect the fact that they come from a very different culture already and do not really need to be 'educated'.

Just from my experiences of some Moroccan communities!

No criticism intended of any one in particular, I know it can be hard living in a different culture and language, I've done it myself and it's not the easiest thing to do.

Hello Everybody!

I'm writing from France where I've lived almost all my life, I'm a Morrocan female
I just wanted to say that I quite agree with Laure. Since I was a kid I've never made a difference between the different nationalities exixting in this world

I've spent 7 years in England surrended by very nice English friends, who were always there for me. I went there, not as a Morrocan female, not as a French female but simply as a human being. And beleive I made lots friends mainly English and Irish, I simply saw them as human beings and they simply saw me as a human being as well.

I was so well accepted that I even made fiends with the very famous group Massive Attack who regularly invited me, I personnaly met Bjork(the female singer) and I was in the guest lists of the group Oasis and other artists. This is just to say that often most things just depend on us, because I strongly beleive that there no differences between us, but I do not why we keep on creating thses diffrencies and making our lives more difficult by creating barriers

When I make friend with someone, I never pay attention to his or her nationality, I just see if this person is ok or not...you can guess the rest

I am just wondring, hanging aroud with british people doesn´t mean u are integrated.

integrated means participate in the society profettionaly or as a student ..etc.
in other words be productif.

what you were talking about "Universal" is beeing socialising.
is good you are easy to get through people..

but still people look at your skinde when comes proffetionaly looking for a job good job you are discriminated against.

look aound you how many foreigner are head of office??

but hanging with people is always accepted in any socialty ..

aziz_dk

Hello Aziz,

just to say that I did not make frind with people and hanged around with British to be integrated or not, as this word, for me, shoul not even exist, we are all part of this world. So to be integrated in what? in this world? we are already part of it

How do you think I managed to live there without being a student 1st and getting a job afterwards. Yes I was astudent and yes I had a job and a good job, after not even 2 years in this company I was made supervisor, I had a team of 5 English people working for me. Not too bad for someone, coming from a quite poor background and who grew up in the Morrocan's mountains

And just to say that in my actual company in france, big comapny one good of frind of mine, 4 years now, he is from Malaysia (very dark skin), he still does not speak french (only english) he is head now of 30 french people working under him!

Regarding discrimination, often it is a question of good or bad attitude, being able to control or not our emotions

Anyway, good luck to everybody

Hi Universal

may be you are just lucky in your case, but i have friends Phd who has problem getting a job in France, i mean the kind of job they want.

I know UK is giving job to high educated Somalien, there are lot of somalien movig from Danmark to UK when they finished there studies.

but as you said is question of attitude, if you are not to demanding of course you can always get a job.

aziz

Hi all,

Universal I quite disagree with you. Being born in France from Moroccan parents and having lived in the UK for close to 6 years ... I can tell you that there is a HUGE difference between the way we are treated in France and in the UK.

I managed in 2 years to go from normal employee to Manager in an American Bank in the UK whereas it would have NEVER been possible in France. I came back to France 5 years ago and am stuck in the same position (although as Manager given my prof. background) and am sick of it.

If your friend dark skinnned is Manager of 30 french people in France ... must be in an Anglo-Saxon company. Am I wrong??

Personally my decision is taken ... they don't want us in here and we should live as other countries would be more than happy to see us contribute to their economy.


THERE IS NO WAY you can work and have a career in France in a French company when you are muslim or dark skinned. That is a fact.

Hello,

I am a Moroccan from France and I would like to find a training course in London just for 3 months in International Trade. Can someone help me to find it or give me advise!

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DIEU SEUL EST SAVANT

hi Im morococan mard with british nationality man my problem is that he not got separate home just live with friends and i need to apply my setelement visa what procedure i know and if some one can hep me i will be thanks for him